The Minster of Scientology has actually occupied German publishers to court for printing this story. "Ascetic" won (see below).
One form of the word is that L. Ron Hubbard complete a bar bet with Robert A. Heinlein. This is unquestionably not true. It's deviant of Heinlein, and there's no elemental mandate. Current is, although, wooly mandate that Robert Heinlein optional some parts of the peculiar "Dianetics".
Atypical alteration is that Hubbard talked of starting a religion to assistance assessment. Jay Kay Klein news broadcast that Hubbard assumed this in 1947.
The Church's media guide tells pressure that the word is stunned, and that it was George Orwell who assumed it. In 1938, Orwell did breeze "But I attach perfectly attention submit power be a lot of income in starting a new religion...". Even if, Robert Vaughn Fresh, who was Scientology's presenter for 20 existence, says that Hubbard intellectual about the Orwell quote from "him". Fresh pass on states that he met three recruits who may well call to mind Hubbard saying more-or-less the supernatural quote. Nor did Hubbard breeze a repudiation of the word -- Fresh claims to attach ghost-written the repudiation in the Gravelly Fortune Communication consultation.
I found the later than in books about Hubbard and Scientology: "Whenever he was writing about being demanding up he habitually used to say that he attention the easiest way to make money would be to start a religion." -- speaker Neison Himmel: quoted in Squander FACED MESSIAH p.117 from 1986 consultation. Himmel intersection a room with LRH, succinctly, Pasadena, fall 1945.
"I perfectly knew he was intensely concerned to hit big money - he used to say he attention the best way to do it would be to start a cult." -- Sam Merwin, then the editor of the "Out of this world" SF magazines: quoted in Squander Faced Messiah p.133 from 1986 consultation. Frosty of 1946/47.
"Jaggedly this time he was invited to household a science fiction group in Newark hosted by the correspondent, Sam Moskowitz. `Writing for a fifty pence piece a word is brainless,' he told the council. `If a man really looked-for to make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be start his own religion.' -- Squander Faced Messiah p.148. Excerpt solution to LA Times, 27 Aug 78. Held to attach happened in skip 1949..
"Science fiction editor and author Sam Moscowitz tells of the induce next Hubbard spar beforehand the Eastern Science Tale Introduction in Newark, New Sport shirt in 1947: `Hubbard spar... I don't commit to memory his compact words; but in effect, he told us that calligraphy science fiction for about a fifty pence piece a word was no way to make a living. If you really unpleasant to make a million, he assumed, the quickest way is to start your own religion.'" -- Messiah or Madman, p.45. No approval solution. Yes, the spelling of Sam's name differs: this book got it injustice, it has a "k". I don't know why the two books warfare by two existence.
(Inexplicably, the extremely misspelling occurs in Eisenberg. From this and other similarities, it seems prone that Corydon is quoting the Eisenberg details, fancy than quoting Moskowitz right away.)
"The Encyclopedia of Science Tale" lists Sam Moskowitz as the to start with good historian of science fiction [by way of other bits and pieces]. In 1994 Moskowitz wrote an deposition which states: "Following talking for about an hour at the council, Mr. Hubbard answered questions from the attendance. He complete the later than statute in reply to a consideration about making money from writing: `You don't get posh calligraphy science fiction. If you unpleasant to get posh, you start a religion.'"
The deposition states that this was the 7 Nov 1948 council of the Eastern Science Tale Introduction, of which Moskowitz was the pompous.
Now, submit is a theme with the three Moskowitz news broadcast. Specifically, the Minster obtained affidavits in 1993 from David A. Kyle and Jay Kay Klein. Every one names are professional in science fiction, and every say that they went to the 7 Nov 1948 fuss by Hubbard. Every one say that they didn't gather any such statute. Impenetrable.
I assume that these dueling affidavits attach met in court. "Ascetic", a German magazine, was sued by the Minster, and the tally was at a loss out of court as soon as they obtained the Moskowitz deposition.
On 9apr94, jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) posted (about a treatise with Theodore Sturgeon): Look after in the 1940's, L. Ron Hubbard was a case of the Los Angeles Science Decorative Affiliation (next its old clubhouse was totally north of Wilshire Blvd). Ted luminously recalled being a few yards from Hubbard, next he became complaining with someone submit and retorted, "Y'know, we're all slaughter our time calligraphy this bring to an end science fiction! You wanta make "money, you gotta start a "While I didn't ask, I give a ruling Ted would've mentioned it if the treat kind was Heinlein or assorted author of note. He had an pleasingly secure reminiscence, and I'd possibility Sturgeon elegant being else's kind.
Reportedly Sturgeon as well told this story to others. Theodore Sturgeon was one of the right good science fiction writers, and someone whose word and looking back were trusted. (John W. Campbell commented that Sturgeon could do with attach in black and white the essential history of SF fandom.) Mike Jittlov is a well-known Hollywood filmmaker and stopmotion recitalist, and can be found on the net at "alt..fan.mike-jittlov".
Lloyd Arthur Eshbach was a science fiction correspondent and publisher amid 1929 and 1957. His life history, says on pages 125 and 126 (about the actions of 1948 and 1949): I give a ruling of the time instant in New York I took John W. Campbell, Marty Greenberg, and L. Ron Hubbard to gorge. Individual optional a Swedish smorgasbord, and I had my first--and last--taste of kidney. Yuck! Past we sin up in my tavern room for pertinent treatise.
The happening is engraved indelibly in my wits at the same time as of one statute that Ron Hubbard complete. In the same way as led him to say what he did I can't recall--but in so many words Hubbard said:
"I'd delicate to start a religion. That's everywhere the money is!"
Eshbach based his life history on tricky figures and away autobiography entries, and is therefore prone to be bounty secure on this be against.
Harlan Ellison is a science fiction author and movie scriptwriter. In an Interview, he has assumed such bits and pieces as "I was submit the night L. Ron Hubbard conjured [Dianetics]". In a 1999 set up consultation, Mr. Ellison gave disdainful shut down. In 1950, next he was 15, Ellison attended meetings of the Hydra Order. This was a New York companionship of science fiction writers, and he remembers Hubbard loot part in a speech of how well a religion would pay. Ellison quoted the idiom as "what you demand to do is start a religion", but did not imprison to attach remembered it word-for-word as soon as 49 existence.
Reportedly, a Vonnegut biography mentions the Hubbard quote. If being can find an compact approval, I would cost email. Randall Garrett as well allegedly talked about this. Anew, I would cost email.
To summarize: we attach nine witnesses: Neison Himmel, Sam Merwin, Sam Moskowitz, Theodore Sturgeon, Lloyd Arthur Eshbach, Harlan Ellison, and the three unrevealed witnesses of Robert Vaughn Fresh. Current is some kingdom and uncertainty about one of them (Sam Moskowitz). Two are reported via Russel Miller: one is reported via Mike Jittlov: one reported in his autobiography; one reported in an affidavit; and one reported to me in kind. The news broadcast print uniform actions, meaning that Hubbard assumed it almost certainly six epoch, in six uniform venues - unquestionably not totally past. And the Church's circumstances repudiation is now reportedly a departed lie.
Conclusion: He unquestionably assumed it disdainful than past.
REFERENCES:
BARE-FACED MESSIAH, THE Level Recline OF L. RON HUBBARD by Russell Miller (N.Y.: Henry Holt ">
L. RON HUBBARD: MESSIAH OR MADMAN? by Malformed Corydon and L. Ron Hubbard Jr. a.k.a. Ronald DeWolf.(Secaucus, NJ: Lyle Stuart, 1987) ISBN 0-8184-0444-2 In 1992, from Military protection Books, dist. by Publishers Group West, 12.95. See the Figure out FAQ for reviews.
THE Solemn NEW Trend OF SCIENTOLOGY by Arlene and Howard Eisenberg, Parents Munitions store, June 1969, pages 48-49 and 82-86.
LLOYD ARTHUR ESHBACH AUTOBIOGRAPHY: Better-quality My Shoulder: Reflections of the Science Tale Era, Oswald Train: Publisher, Phila. 1983, thoughtless problem)
ELLISON INTERVIEW: The Saturday Sundown Wings, Nov-Dec 1978, p.32. Reportedly Ellison as well assumed uniform bits and pieces in UK, no. 332. Ellison conscious me in a 1999 consultation that the Wings details is entirely a unproven copy of a destiny treatise, in the face of it is immensely blot.
