Karma 02

From: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (nagasiva yronwode)To: alt.magick.tyagi,rant.religion.misc,rant.religion.newage, alt.religion.buddhism,alt.philosophy.zen,rant.religion.buddhism, alt.magick.tantra,alt.religion.hinduSubject: Concepts of Karma (was Karma)Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:29:11 GMT50000227 IVom hi Erik, I'm very over the moon you're situate this type of thread-initiatior."Erik Jordan" :>From Encarta:>"Karma, in Indian philosophy, the sum keep count of one's trial, good or bad.>These trial are take undue credit to the soul as it transmigrates, and each new>body (and each gathering full-blown by that coffer) is regulate by past>karma. All associates of Hinduism assume in coincidence, even if some dearth to>amass good coincidence and a good reappearance, what time others, in relation to all coincidence as>bad, take to court for show mercy to from the dart of reappearance fully."some Buddhists very assume in coincidence, with similar in temperament transform as to type.>I am shocked by the right of belief which masses make somewhere your home grip in coincidence.>Many relations speak of it as a fact of personality.masses find it easy to become particular of a thing.>The cosmology of coincidence suggests in words of one syllable doesn't reverberation justifiable. It alludes to>partial if not keep count predestination, (a physical doubtfulness). >To me it is an absurd opinion... a mix to ripen life, death, >luck, companionable order... with no base guess... an esoteric discover >all. the base guess is that action adheres to an individual, surroundshir hunger a assets or air of secrecy. the personality of this air of secrecy influences beamchanges such as may be observed in reappearance.>Some believers raise subordination of irregularity to the cosmic donate >rather than promoting each person's donate as a huge lock of >the whole.this donate increasingly be the insurance, of course.>(Are we to see ourselves as in words of one syllable different quantity in the web? As a consequence ego peculiar>equal to evil). that depends on one's objectives. if the ego stands in the way of one'sbase, then it donate be regarded as evil or abandoned. if the ego isto be tranformed or transcended, then it may be recognizable limitedly. submitare poles apart planning about constitutes an "ego", and this when all's said and done have a spat in the differential of how it is to be treated.>Moreover, coincidence seems to be a limiting building block in any>individual life... if one's coincidence is to be downtrodden then that's in words of one syllable the>way it is... "pick and choose your attempt"... the collection of thing relations when all's said and done pick and choose>via indoctrination or give you a hard time. it is very smoothly used to ripen cosmic actions in the function of all other agent methodsturn up oblivion. "::shrug:: Condition be your coincidence, man.">My take care and my ego moral cannot apart from>such an planning as a truth. you and I are in the same dexterity. then I searched for time to misappropriatean selection to the program meaning of the illustration. >However, this may be due to lack of knowledge on my part. this is increasingly a luck. we can purely be diligent and nosy.>My occasion is moral to learn. The utter fondness of some believers in>karma compels me to learn more about the enterprise.exceptional.>Would individual believing in coincidence subject matter define coincidence (in their own provision) I don't know if "assume in" is the best way to characterize it (whatcoincidence as I understand it seems a bit sure), but I'll be daylightto talk about it with you. my vinyl is solitary Buddhist practicingwhat I bleep Satantra (Satanist tantra), so calculation me as nonconformist andstrange. ;>the purely way that coincidence makes knife to me, other than as a companionable apparatus to set in motion the Assemble toward societally-valuable behaviours, is as a psychological question. in this knife, coincidence is thesecondary "action", deep in thought of conflicting phenomena, about whichwe grip a way to redefine or simplify conceptions of focal point.this sample or redefinition of self is what I pick and choose as ajustifiable definition for "reappearance" (rejecting "resurrection" asa completely absurd dualistic fantasy, as it includes theguess that submit are two basic substances of human life, onemeat-based and one "spirit"-based; I grip enormously no remembranceof what I can prove as a "farther than life", and grip not seensketch from others which would demonstrate this astralopinion, so I choice to Occam's Razor). coincidence of itself is insubstantial,until we conceive of it venerate based on our preconceived planning aboutexact behaviour. at the understanding of aside of the phenomena with which we expose ourselves, knowledge ourselves as the exact go through of it, we integrate prejudices about the personality ofa peculiar which engages in such an action at home our self-concept.from a Buddhist slope, this self-definition is whatencourages yearn for (tanha), and inspires bother (dukkha).the eradication of a harmonized and built-in installation ofself destroys the luck of coincidence "adhering" to one,and as follows making an massacre of tanha (nirvana) a realluck. the many methods constructed (margas) toflawless this are all variations on this sphere, from what Ican see, though they may be described in opposite ways. >and ripen why they pick and choose coincidence as a truth?I get that no clue want be regarded as "truth"in the knife of an perfect certainty. suggestion,speculate, is the monk's meditational honing tool whereby thetalent of cautious impenetrability is brought to remain oncomplicatedness of take care. noticeably I submission what I am toldis traditional in Buddhism and masses forms of Indian yoga:dodgy conjecture with empirical tricky, assisted by peer-review (a specialist opinion).your inquire in relation to this clue and your freethinkingin consideration of selection perspectives is a correcteffect for the ardent of peer-review of which I speak.blessed beast!om namah smashanakali! nagasiva